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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and Persia prepare

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to have your paradigm shifted and their

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truths questioned and now shattered

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reality Wow hi and this is no a day it's

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great to be inside where it's nice and

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warm good to see you again from Russia

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hey there Kate yes indeed and this is a

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milestone broadcast in several ways

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first of all today is December 30th 2017

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so this is our last podcast of 2017

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that's true that's a milestone okay and

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the second milestone is that this is our

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60th 6/0 60th episode mm-hmm time goes

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fast when I'm in front

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time flies right and not only that what

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we're dealing with here to start off

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with is something that seems relatively

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big in the area of unidentified flying

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objects UFOs or you ap's or unidentified

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aerial phenomena depending on how you

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want to look at it and the revelations

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as which was the wonderful word you came

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up with a few moments ago the

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revelations about possible disclosure

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now I want to say to start off with that

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happened I don't have a dog in this race

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I really don't because I've heard both

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sides of this argument as saying that

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it's disinformation and that other

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people saying it's not so just to be

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very brief about what's going on

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is that we started out in actually up

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quite probably several years ago was the

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first time I heard about Tom DeLonge

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mm-hmm now Tom DeLonge is a rock star

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who was Fame was mostly in the 90s in

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late 90s involving his group but it's

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still going blink-182 I believe it's

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called I don't know the number I always

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get that screwed up but in any case Tom

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DeLonge apparently has always been

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interested in UFOs and he somehow was

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contacted by people in the Defense

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Intelligence Agency or similar people in

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the clandestine services of the United

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States about UFOs and this goes back a

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few years ago and this always sort of

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seemed like well is this going to be

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just another disinformation project in

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the it like like bennewitz and and that

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group and do we know do we have to

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explain who benefits what it would be

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your well bennewitz just very briefly

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was a a scientist an engineer I believe

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who was observing Los Alamos from the

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outside and seeing strange things flying

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up and down and there were people there

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who may have been Richard Doty may have

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been amongst them and they sort of made

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the man go crazy and he ended up dying

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yes yes so we were you know I was

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looking at the Tom DeLonge thing years

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ago and I'm thinking you know I don't

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know what I think about this and then lo

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and behold they made a few statements in

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October and Tom DeLonge got on the stage

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on a Facebook direct the broadcast and

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got on the stage with a bunch of people

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saying that they were going to start a

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group called to the stars Academy and

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they were going to research UFOs and

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they were going to come out with some

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revelations and on that stage was Lewis

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the Defense Intelligence Agency and he

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knows the head of the Defense Department

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and I served with him in Vietnam that

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now somebody who was with who was with

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remote viewing he was a he was a police

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chief who died in Las Vegas and nobody

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somebody killed him in Las Vegas and he

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Scientologist briefly and so things

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remote viewer gave about a UFO base in

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there was and this was in front of a lot

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him to any extent but I did in fact meet

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him so that was all interesting and so

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dollars and that's kind of impressive

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to forgive me because I'm winging this

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and it was three of them wrote this New

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it was incredibly well vetted and they

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sources and it was all very exciting in

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her word I think okay all right so what

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videotapes of these objects which they

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appear to be some form of disclosure

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is a bipartisan type of an effort but

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senator from Nevada was well acquainted

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midst the National MUFON and since its

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national discovery discovery science

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National Institute of Discovery Science

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who's been on twice former Army Colonel

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show and he was involved with knids

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Sherman ranch at this point or he's no

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the Sherman ranch but he has started

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does this piece of disclosure let us say

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nits and so Harry Reid apparently went

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of the stuff that Bob Bigelow had

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collected and said and and and he did in

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own money into this research long story

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short the government had a secret

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Alexander who are saying you know this

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this partial this it's this quarter inch

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by quarter inch disclosure if you will

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and he does make an extremely good point

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about this that you can't get money from

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this group as being a threat to us or

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evil or whatever like that and I I don't

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they can't get financed unless it's seen

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as a threat so and then there are other

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people out there that say oh this is

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just the intelligence services putting

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us into a the long story short is it's

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just like Project Blue Book all over

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you know they investigate they may or

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may not find something they say oh no

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nothing out there don't worry about it

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move along move along and then they

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close that down the research continues

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and the same thing happened with this

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project as well I mean I'm sure the

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research is still continuing ongoing

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and totally at the air force goes up and

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they blow them off so it's not so much a

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threat as it is just well the hell with

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want and I don't think the big boys like

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that no I I know for a fact that in the

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old governments the matter if it's this

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the government of Uganda it really

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doesn't make a difference but they don't

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like to feel like they're not in control

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of their own airspace and that's that

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goes without saying why all

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investigations are kept secret because

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they're not producing anything everyone

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something I don't know I think the

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government doesn't know any more than we

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do well we'll have to wait and see what

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comes of this but we're not looking with

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a an I to say that there's nothing

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certainly we are not the bunkers but we

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do look with a slightly skeptical eye

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we've got our fingers crossed and our

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eyes wide open then not me I know what

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there's objects up there they're flying

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around nobody knows what they are hence

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whatever and obviously mr. rein has

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member of MUFON where does the mutual

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UFO network which is the mutual UFO sort

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of point out by Bob Bigelow at one point

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yes yeah it's an interesting connection

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there yes and it's now sort of not quite

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the membership it used to have well it's

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surviving and we'll have to we'll have

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to I don't want this to be necessarily

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about MUFON or say no because that's a

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whole new doubt that's a whole tar baby

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by itself that we don't need to do that

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today but who we're going to be speaking

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to is dr. Terry ray now dr. Terry ray is

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a professor emeritus and the law

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department of Indiana University of

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pencil

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he is presently a full-time author with

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Sunbury press and is primarily a

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novelist but has also authored several

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non-fiction works besides his nonfiction

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book the complete story of the worldwide

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invasion of the orange orbs terry has

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also written an extraterrestrial novel

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which I've read called gxm 731 Terry was

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a military pilot during the Vietnam War

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and was honorably discharged as a

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disabled veteran he holds a bachelor's

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degree in political science from Grove

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City College a masters of education and

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a Juris Doctor from Duquesne University

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I can never say that I always want to

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say Duke as me but I won't I won't say

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that no Duquesne University he was a

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Pittsburgh trial lawyer after graduation

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from law school then accepted a faculty

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position at the Indiana University of

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Pennsylvania as a law professor as a

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field investigator for MUFON Terry

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investigates assigned cases in western

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Pennsylvania after having his own UFO

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experience in 2012 in Ocean City

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Maryland seeing 8 large orange orbs

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silently flying through the night sky

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over the beach he set out to find an

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explanation for what he has seen and

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from this point we're going to introduce

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dr. Terry ray hey Terry

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welcome to the show so it's an

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interesting I guess we might as well

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start with the sighting yeah well let's

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talk about your sighting a little bit in

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in Ocean City can you give us a little

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synopsis of that sure I was sitting out

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on the balcony about 10 o'clock at night

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and my wife and three kids were inside

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and I wasn't allowed to watch television

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because they were sleeping so I was

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banished on to the the

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and I saw two I was facing the Atlantic

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Ocean and to my right which would be the

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north

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I saw a very tiny orange dot which

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caught my attention because as the

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pilots there are certain colors you are

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accustomed to seeing in the night sky

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they are primarily white red and green

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those are the colors you see you do not

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see something that's orange and this

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thing continued to grow inside and I

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realized it was coming south toward me

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and when it got to be I would estimate

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about five miles away it was about the

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size of a full moon and it just it was

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looked like a sending sign almost

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exactly like a Setting Sun they just

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hovered there by five miles away right

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where the ocean meets the sand and

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stayed in that position for a problem in

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a couple of minutes and then started

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moving directly out to sea it went out

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when I would estimate about ten miles

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and then stopped pause there for a while

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then rose rather rapidly up to about

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10,000 feet and thence and then headed

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south at a level altitude and then

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turned south east directly into a

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thunderstorm into a storm into a

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thunderstorm yes they are they

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frequently go into thunderstorms you

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know there's a whole nother story about

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that but I think it's probably to absorb

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energy power but after this disappeared

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about a minute later I saw another dot

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on the northern horizon and this

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orange dot did the exact same thing that

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the first one did precisely the same

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maneuver it's going to ended up heading

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off into the thunderstorm and in all I

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saw age of these doing this Wow Terry

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yeah can I ask you if anyone else

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reported anything to move on or any of

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the other agencies that might receive a

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UFO report one other person that it was

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a girl and she found report was

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interesting now I want to ask you one

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more thing two things well one thing

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which you discussed quite clearly in

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your book that it was not a Chinese

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lantern and we're going to go in a

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minute to why it could not have been a

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Chinese lantern which I would like you

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to speak to but I have one other

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question before which should be

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basically a yes or no question and that

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is I have seen a number of things that

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were orange in the sky and I was

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wondering if they could be a drones or

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with what I saw they couldn't either

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well also anything that was a private

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plane or a drone would not fly into us

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understand they fly around it so that

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alone would indicate that it's not

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terrestrial and and generally satellites

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don't make turns right angle turns I

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hover over the beach right right

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but just we you know we hear this back

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at us us people who are we people who

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are interested in you ApS and UFOs oh

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must have been a drone type of thing and

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in certain airs

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bases people are so used to seeing

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drones they barely even look up I've

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seen two cases of drones was reported

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drones I have no way to know for sure

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above the airspace in Providence Rhode

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Island over different events and these

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drones seem to be flying over a large

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public events in Providence Rhode Island

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and nobody even bothers to look up I

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find it amazing oh yeah it's a drone

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that's it you know they're not even

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looking up anymore so it's it's this is

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adds to confusion I would say but let's

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go on from here question on those eight

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orbs that you saw after they finished

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these maneuvers did they then get

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together or did they just all leave

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separately no they disappeared so it

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wasn't like eight lights on one chip you

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know wanted to point out that they they

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were only I would estimate a thousand

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feet above the ocean when they were

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doing when they stopped above the beach

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and then started out over the ocean

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another thing in 2012 people weren't

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flying groans before this rampage yes

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yes I wasn't I wasn't by any means

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suggesting that your sighting was a

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drone I was merely countering what

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people you know the kind of backlash

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that we get from the debunkers so try me

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consider okay so they were about a

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thousand feet over the water and you

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were about a few thousand feet back from

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the water how large would you say these

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things were if you have been standing

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right next to them

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it sounds like Oh large like I said I

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wouldn't say very large probably wow

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that's huge and and you couldn't discern

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any structure it was just simply this

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frequency of orange light I could not

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discern a structure the light was

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coming from inside I can tell you that

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really and yes and they were very hazy

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looking it couldn't see the exact edges

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of the sphere it was very hazy you know

449
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the one siding I had was the same thing

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like you couldn't it almost looked like

451
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your eyes were out of focus yes

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yeah it's I guess I just had binoculars

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with me and I look closely really yes

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and the the edges definitely were

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fuzzies so they must be like affecting

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the atmosphere too like you know when

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when hot air rises up how it sort of

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wobbles the air so Wow well it affected

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the whole atmosphere around it as well

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this is really a fascinating sight from

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your book and I just want to say and

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we're talking now about his book the

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complete story of the worldwide invasion

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of the U of the orange orbs by some very

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press as the is the publisher your book

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is basically divided into three parts

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the first part is is like statistical

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largely about where the orbs have been

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seen over the United States and then the

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second part is primarily lots of

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eyewitness reports and then the third

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part which is very fascinating has to do

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with what what you've come down to

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thinking there about and at the

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fuzziness it seems to be from your point

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of view and I have nothing against this

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that it that the fuzziness and the glow

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seems to be part of a cloaking device

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yes hmm so do you want to speak to that

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a little bit yes I in my research

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research for an entire year and there

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were a number of cases that described in

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detail how this cloaking takes place

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the people site Aviat some sort of

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vehicle in the sky whatever it may be

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and they it has they have seen the

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cloaking take place and the the orange

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substance whatever is comes out the

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bottom of the vehicle goes up around it

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informs the bubble interesting and and I

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have a one question to ask you

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out of curiosity of the many sightings

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in which you have pages and pages of

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eyewitness reports in different

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categories and the one that really

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struck me happened at Cape Fear and I

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wanted to ask you is this is this the

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00:27:46,189 --> 00:27:39,479
beginning of the Bledsoe case that you

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00:27:55,429 --> 00:27:46,199
were reporting on okay that was just one

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00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:55,439
of the cases because it in your book it

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talks about a man and his son on the

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Cape Fear River down in the south

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and what is that North Carolina South

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Carolina I'm not my geography is failing

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me at the moment but how they cited

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00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,759
several of these orange orbs and they

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were on a fishing trip and how they left

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and it sounded just like the beginning

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of the Bledsoe case and I was just

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00:28:28,419 --> 00:28:26,129
questioning that the other things that

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00:28:31,939 --> 00:28:28,429
it would be interesting to talk about

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00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:31,949
more than Rhian less you have a specific

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00:28:37,729 --> 00:28:34,139
case other than your own which you would

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00:28:39,949 --> 00:28:37,739
like to bring to our attention I would

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like to ask you one thing

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because if you heard our beginning of

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the episode today we spoke about Leslie

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Cain and Leslie Kane particularly said

519
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that this revelation this disclosure if

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you will will not include anything to do

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with beings like actual physical or semi

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00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:07,610
physical beings that would be coming

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00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:10,880
down out of the you a piece or UFO is

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because that's not the kind of

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00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:17,330
information that the dia was collecting

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00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:19,190
now whether I believe that or not is a

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00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:22,400
moot point but you on the other hand

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00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:29,530
have a number of eyewitness reports of

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00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:33,260
beings associated with the orange orbs

530
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:35,690
can you give us one of the bay the best

531
00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:39,910
cases can you talk about that now sure

532
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:42,440
there have been a number of cases where

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00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:46,340
the beings have been sighted and one

534
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,470
case in particular I found there's

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00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:50,000
actually there's two I'll tell you about

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00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:54,140
one had to do with an elderly elderly

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00:30:01,060 --> 00:29:57,770
lady who lived on a farm I think was in

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00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:01,070
North Carolina and they watched they saw

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00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:05,570
just what I saw this big orange spear

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and it came down all the way just and

541
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landed right near their barns which was

542
00:30:23,770 --> 00:30:19,010
about a hundred yards away and they as

543
00:30:27,670 --> 00:30:23,780
they watched they saw several figures

544
00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:27,680
emerge and the the woman described them

545
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:31,580
as being very tall probably nine feet

546
00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:38,210
tall very thin lung long arms and legs

547
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:44,540
and she said they began to run faster

548
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:46,910
than any any being she's ever seen

549
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:49,760
growing and they scared the hell out of

550
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:50,450
her

551
00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:55,490
hurt cattle and dogs and she was very

552
00:31:01,270 --> 00:30:59,150
caring he was interesting I I don't

553
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:01,280
think she underwent understood what

554
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:06,440
MUFON is but she ended her case report

555
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:09,770
by saying I'm very frightened can you

556
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:10,970
please come down

557
00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:14,210
here and help me Wow I thought was

558
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:18,350
interesting Wow so she she was you know

559
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:22,700
an unsophisticated person but and there

560
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:26,960
is a another sighting what did anything

561
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:29,570
ever I don't remember where is took

562
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:35,870
place but it was a a group of people

563
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:41,870
were down below a big rise and I wish

564
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:44,510
the you know sort of a plateau up above

565
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:46,970
them they saw that I don't worry coming

566
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:48,620
down it disappeared

567
00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:53,000
so they climbed the grassy hill up to

568
00:32:04,289 --> 00:31:56,659
the top of this little plateau and they

569
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:04,299
saw a - a group of beings one was the

570
00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:09,200
tall thin creatures about nine feet tall

571
00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:13,580
and they they tend to have shiny shiny

572
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:17,059
black covering on them almost all the

573
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:19,780
reports of the taller creatures that way

574
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:26,240
very very long legs and and arms and

575
00:32:34,659 --> 00:32:30,890
with them were some smaller creatures

576
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:34,669
that were three or four feet tall who

577
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:37,570
had a lighter color almost grayish color

578
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:41,600
and the there were several people that

579
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:43,820
followed this report together but they

580
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:45,970
they said described that their

581
00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:49,880
interaction between the tall beings and

582
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:51,860
the little beings was very much like a

583
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:55,130
parent and child the children the

584
00:33:01,360 --> 00:32:57,220
smaller ones seemed to be playing and

585
00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:01,370
the taller beings seemed to be watching

586
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:04,039
over them as a parent would in a

587
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,530
playground so the people who were

588
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:08,450
observing this were sort of like poking

589
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:10,130
their heads up over the plateau and

590
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,710
watching this no they walked right off

591
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:14,000
did they really

592
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:17,670
yes they did most people would not do

593
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:20,370
I'm with the yeah I'm with you so they

594
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,070
walked up to these beings they saw this

595
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,200
whole no I didn't get real close to them

596
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:27,360
but they were up where they could have

597
00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:29,430
been seen by the beings okay so they're

598
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:32,550
on the same surface I level yeah I think

599
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:34,460
I might be gone like a cool breeze

600
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:42,930
myself yeah sort of thing sometimes it's

601
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:49,830
fascination and sometimes it's fear sure

602
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:51,630
a fear of the unknown but so they were

603
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:53,610
watching these people these beings

604
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:55,530
interact with each other two different

605
00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:58,020
types did the beings try to interact

606
00:34:05,410 --> 00:33:59,910
with them do they approach that it

607
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:05,420
didn't ah but there is another case of a

608
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,650
hunting party I don't know if you read

609
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,200
this case or not but there were there

610
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:13,260
was a hunting party and they were

611
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:18,720
camping out and they saw the same thing

612
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:23,669
this orangish spear land somewhere

613
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:25,470
beyond where they were in the woods

614
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:28,470
their campsite and two of the I guess

615
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:31,590
the more intrepid of the hunters decided

616
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:34,640
to go see what these things were and

617
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:39,770
they had to walk about a mile to on a

618
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,030
flat a cleared surface a grassy surface

619
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:48,960
and what they saw they described it was

620
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:52,700
a smaller there was a small craft

621
00:35:00,620 --> 00:34:56,730
apparently if the the craft had probably

622
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,630
uncloaked so you could actually see the

623
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:02,940
vehicle it was a relatively small

624
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:06,450
vehicle and they said they saw two of

625
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:11,810
the tall black shining creatures out

626
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:15,090
inspecting this craft as though sort of

627
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:16,890
like your car had broken down on a

628
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:18,330
highway and you're trying to see what's

629
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:18,990
the matter with it

630
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:25,260
and these two beings they and it was a

631
00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:29,280
man and his son they got fairly close to

632
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:30,200
them and

633
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:31,609
they said that these beings turned

634
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,710
around and looked at them and then

635
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:35,660
turned around again went back to

636
00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:37,579
whatever they were doing just ignored

637
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:38,060
them

638
00:35:45,339 --> 00:35:43,640
yes yeah but at a certain point this

639
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:45,349
went on for you know five ten minutes

640
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:47,240
they were just watching whatever they

641
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:49,369
were doing to their craft I don't know

642
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:51,849
maybe changing the headlights do that

643
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:55,970
but all of a sudden they felt themselves

644
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:01,480
moving closer to this craft without

645
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:04,490
themselves moving but I walk yes I

646
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:06,380
remember that I remember that from the

647
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:09,160
blows yes closer and closer and finally

648
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:11,900
they were pulled right up to these

649
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:15,440
beings who then took them inside the

650
00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:20,000
craft and they didn't say exactly what

651
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:22,550
went on but they the only thing Lee said

652
00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:26,420
is what they did to us was discussed Wow

653
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:28,940
Wow and what they were done they put

654
00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:31,880
them back out where they had been in the

655
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:36,020
craft departed shall we shall we think

656
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,089
perhaps the infamous anal probe well

657
00:36:51,099 --> 00:36:49,040
that was you know that what I don't mean

658
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:51,109
to well I'm not making fun of anybody

659
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:55,609
but they that was a big bad part of some

660
00:37:01,300 --> 00:36:59,660
of the but but so anyway actually you

661
00:37:04,839 --> 00:37:01,310
know it's it's interesting it's almost

662
00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:04,849
as if you alright let's say Linda a

663
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:07,339
helicopter we were pairing it out in the

664
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:11,750
wilds of Africa and to I don't know some

665
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:13,250
sort of a deer or some sort of an animal

666
00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:15,260
came up and we're watching us you go I

667
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,240
wonder what kind of an animal that is

668
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:19,280
you take them in try to identify him put

669
00:37:24,309 --> 00:37:21,740
him back out right exactly it definitely

670
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:24,319
didn't seem like they were on an equal

671
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:26,630
level with these beings it was really no

672
00:37:37,329 --> 00:37:32,630
absolutely no absolutely they in a lot

673
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,339
of the cases a blue beam is described

674
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:38,960
that's any time they want to put

675
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:41,810
something down to the earth surface or

676
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:43,230
pull something up

677
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:49,260
so whatever this apparently is used to

678
00:37:57,089 --> 00:37:54,400
extract things well this is this is very

679
00:38:00,569 --> 00:37:57,099
very interesting and you come to some

680
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:00,579
very interesting conclusions about these

681
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:07,020
beings and I I have no reason to

682
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:11,170
disregard any of your conclusions except

683
00:38:19,799 --> 00:38:15,220
to say that it seems to be about like

684
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,809
one class of of visitor and beings but

685
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:22,000
this may not be the only class of

686
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:26,760
visitors and beings that are possible

687
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:30,640
and and the interesting thing it has to

688
00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:34,089
do with when the beings are seen the

689
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:37,059
tall beings particularly running seem to

690
00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:41,020
run in an upright fashion kind of

691
00:38:50,609 --> 00:38:47,589
different than any human or ape you know

692
00:38:53,819 --> 00:38:50,619
might run in they do they sort of lean

693
00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:53,829
backwards a bit we lean forward but they

694
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:56,799
tend to be very erect and lean lean

695
00:39:04,980 --> 00:38:59,530
backwards somewhat when they run which I

696
00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:04,990
don't know how they do well maybe their

697
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:07,809
bones are the you know the angle of the

698
00:39:18,299 --> 00:39:10,210
joints are different but still who knows

699
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:18,309
if they even have bones so well then I

700
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,680
guess we should get to what what did you

701
00:39:25,859 --> 00:39:23,440
conclude from all this I mean are you

702
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:25,869
know it seems to me that there are so

703
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:28,690
many sightings if if you were going on a

704
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:32,020
voyage of discovery let's say you wanted

705
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:34,780
to we didn't have warp speed and we

706
00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:37,030
wanted to investigate planets you would

707
00:39:41,549 --> 00:39:38,920
just like Star Trek said one two maybe

708
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:41,559
three vessels if on the other hand it

709
00:39:48,569 --> 00:39:43,450
was an invasion force you would send

710
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:48,579
multiple vessels so either I don't know

711
00:39:53,099 --> 00:39:50,500
I thought the number of sightings

712
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:53,109
bothers me more than deciding itself

713
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:55,770
yeah it's

714
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:00,300
if as we were as you were discussing

715
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,170
earlier in the in the first part of my

716
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:07,200
book I deal with statistics and that's

717
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,110
why I called my book the invasion of the

718
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:14,640
orange orbs because back in 2003 I think

719
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:18,900
it is there were probably worldwide only

720
00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:22,110
about three or four of these orbs cited

721
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,840
mm-hmm and said by 2013 there were a

722
00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:30,300
couple thousand of them cited in the

723
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:35,300
year now that is an interesting

724
00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:38,010
phenomenon which begs the question why

725
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:43,950
is this happening this way and I have my

726
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,630
own opinion if you want to hear it

727
00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:47,520
certainly that's why we have you on the

728
00:41:00,080 --> 00:40:56,600
show yeah I think at one time you a

729
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:00,090
sighting of a UFO was extremely rare

730
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:03,420
right and people would publish these

731
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,119
something this great glory things and

732
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:09,180
say this is the UFO I saw right you know

733
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:12,600
the extremely rare right

734
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:16,530
and the orange orbs were in that class

735
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:19,740
they were extremely rare but for what

736
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:23,910
for some reason they the rather being

737
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:34,460
the advent of the orange orb where you

738
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:36,840
know when they take a vehicle which it

739
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:39,050
would probably be invisible in the sky

740
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:45,600
but instead they start utilizing a cloak

741
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:48,990
which makes them extremely visible it's

742
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:52,260
almost like they have a sign saying look

743
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:55,590
at me right it is designed it's a color

744
00:42:04,460 --> 00:41:59,880
and it is bright enough that you would

745
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:04,470
see it and in my opinion is they they

746
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,350
don't what they they're intelligent

747
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:09,240
beings they're doing this for

748
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:11,100
reason and I think the reason they're

749
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:15,830
doing it is to gradually acclimate

750
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:18,330
Earthlings to the fact that they're up

751
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:21,630
there right and I think they use a color

752
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:25,470
in a shape looks like the Setting Sun

753
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:29,730
but it's very non-threatening and I

754
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:32,580
think the what they're doing is they're

755
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:35,430
they are more and more and more

756
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:37,470
populating the night sky

757
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:40,830
I actually just come at a personal level

758
00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:44,640
since my encounter in 2012 I've seen

759
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:49,340
about ten orange orbs since then and

760
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:53,580
they are everywhere all over the world

761
00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:57,960
and I think not the question becomes why

762
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:01,980
are they making themselves so obvious

763
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:05,760
why they want us to see them I think if

764
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:07,050
they're what they're doing they're

765
00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:11,190
conditioning us I think of it if they

766
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:14,340
all of a sudden just these huge some

767
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:17,780
huge ships appeared in the daylight I

768
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:21,359
think you would have worldwide panic oh

769
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:25,410
yeah and I think these beings are smart

770
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,270
enough to know that and I'm sure this is

771
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:29,630
not the first planet they visited and

772
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:31,980
then I think they know what they're

773
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:35,010
doing and I think they probably with

774
00:43:41,570 --> 00:43:36,900
every planet they visited they go

775
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:41,580
through this conditioning process to the

776
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:44,430
point that I mean there are our people

777
00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:47,310
in places where orange orbs our nightly

778
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:50,580
sighting as a matter of fact I've seen

779
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:51,780
so many I I

780
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:55,770
I barely last summer I saw one going

781
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,510
over and I didn't even get out of a car

782
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,220
I just sat there and watch it go over

783
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:01,680
and there there you have it you know I

784
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:05,010
wasn't I wasn't that interested because

785
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:07,830
I've seen so many anyway I think what

786
00:44:14,359 --> 00:44:12,180
they're doing is I think they want to

787
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,369
make contact but they want to do it in

788
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:16,800
such a way that there's not extreme

789
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:23,339
panic on earth okay so they are

790
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:24,930
well they're more and more of them

791
00:44:30,739 --> 00:44:28,230
they're getting closer and closer to the

792
00:44:32,299 --> 00:44:30,749
earth there are more more landings and I

793
00:44:36,499 --> 00:44:32,309
think that's what's what it's all about

794
00:44:42,499 --> 00:44:36,509
I would like to talk to two points about

795
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:42,509
that okay one point has to do with the

796
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,910
what I had mentioned just like maybe

797
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:47,640
five minutes ago and that is that this

798
00:44:56,839 --> 00:44:52,980
seems to be one class a very numerous

799
00:45:01,029 --> 00:44:56,849
class but one class of siting so what do

800
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:04,309
beings visiting or crafts visiting the

801
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:07,470
earth I know in your book the fictional

802
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:14,880
book and I'm trying to it was a

803
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:17,400
wonderful book and we we both enjoyed

804
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:20,220
reading it in that book you portray

805
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:24,740
several races of beings from other

806
00:45:31,989 --> 00:45:28,430
galaxies and parts of the universe

807
00:45:34,789 --> 00:45:31,999
coming to the this air space so to speak

808
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:34,799
now you know granted that was a work of

809
00:45:42,739 --> 00:45:38,640
fiction and it was very very nicely done

810
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,749
but what can you speak for a second to

811
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:44,339
the idea that there could be other

812
00:45:53,539 --> 00:45:47,609
classes of beings visiting the earth

813
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:53,549
besides the the the orange orb yes well

814
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:01,440
you know it just makes sense and just

815
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,650
like the the races on earth there are

816
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:10,079
races the the look very much different

817
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:12,150
from one another and that's just one

818
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:16,200
planet and they evolved in different

819
00:46:22,789 --> 00:46:20,460
ways and they you know look speak and

820
00:46:25,489 --> 00:46:22,799
act in different ways you know if there

821
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:25,499
is that much difference just on the

822
00:46:31,249 --> 00:46:29,400
surface of one planet throughout the

823
00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:31,259
universe there are many many different

824
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:33,390
conditions different atmospheres

825
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:36,340
different gravity levels

826
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:41,220
it's it's certainly going to produce

827
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:46,660
different looking beings so I mean I it

828
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:49,270
just logical that there are a lot of

829
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:53,530
different beings out there so so can we

830
00:46:59,250 --> 00:46:57,280
say then that although you've written

831
00:47:02,120 --> 00:46:59,260
this book and it's a very good book

832
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:02,130
about the orange orbs and I you know I

833
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:04,750
commend you for it but can we say that

834
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:06,820
there are also other things that are

835
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:07,750
seen out there

836
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:10,150
I sure there are lots of other things

837
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:14,520
seen out there besides orange orbs and

838
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:16,810
obviously because I was focusing on

839
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:19,990
orange herbs that's why you know I was

840
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:24,010
talking about the beings that are inside

841
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:27,390
these orange orbs yes no the

842
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,470
proliferation of the orange worms I I'm

843
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:35,440
not sure maybe I I really don't know

844
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:39,010
what the other there are other races of

845
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:40,690
beings I have no doubt that they're up

846
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:44,740
there actually as if you may recall in

847
00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:46,990
the orange orb books people say well

848
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:49,000
where are they you know they keep

849
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:51,790
showing up at night where are they in my

850
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:55,870
in the orange short book I raced the

851
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:00,400
flight patterns of these these orbs and

852
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:03,490
they have regular regular flight

853
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:07,090
patterns they they come out about 8:30

854
00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:09,790
at night and they go back about 10 to

855
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:11,860
10:30 at night that's when I saw and

856
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:14,740
we're going back and I have traced the

857
00:48:22,110 --> 00:48:16,780
roots back to where they're coming from

858
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:22,120
and there are actually four basis

859
00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:25,270
underwater bases where they emanates

860
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:28,840
really part during the day yeah there's

861
00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:31,450
there's one in Lake Lake Erie there's

862
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:34,120
one off the coast of Miami one off the

863
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:36,330
coast of Sarasota on the other side of

864
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:40,300
Florida in the Gulf and one off the

865
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:44,020
coast of Los Angeles and if we go if we

866
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,090
are to people have seen these coming and

867
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:48,880
going if we are to believe how boot off

868
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:50,350
and

869
00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:54,980
his associates at Stanford Research

870
00:49:04,900 --> 00:48:59,900
Institute there is apparently one

871
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:04,910
somewhere in Australia of an alien base

872
00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:09,950
sure there is yes where they're all in

873
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:14,630
water all around that world probably in

874
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:18,310
the deep trenches yes that we can't go

875
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:23,270
that that psychic that remote viewers

876
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:25,430
name was Pat price I couldn't quite pull

877
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:27,560
it up in the in the beginning which

878
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:30,350
brings me to what we're going to ask you

879
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:34,330
about next which is what is your opinion

880
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,420
particularly on this quote-unquote to

881
00:49:45,070 --> 00:49:41,420
the Stars disclosure the Bigelow

882
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:45,080
situation that whole piece of it that

883
00:49:52,270 --> 00:49:47,930
defense the Intelligence Agency coming

884
00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:52,280
clean through Lois Elizondo and Vera and

885
00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:54,230
Jim semi van and some of the other

886
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,400
people there what is your position on it

887
00:50:02,770 --> 00:49:59,630
particularly what I'd like you to

888
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:02,780
address is your feeling that these

889
00:50:10,060 --> 00:50:08,180
beings are somewhat benign in the way

890
00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:10,070
they're interacting with us and I'd have

891
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:13,790
to agree with you for the most part but

892
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,310
I have I have another question later but

893
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:18,800
let's let's talk a little bit to this

894
00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:22,510
this new quote-unquote disclosure

895
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:26,030
scenario first of all I'll talk about

896
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:39,470
the disclosure itself that was Lois

897
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:41,690
Alice Allison alessandro emissions

898
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:46,790
Defense Intelligence Agency yes yes and

899
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:50,870
he resigned when he thought they there

900
00:50:56,070 --> 00:50:53,390
should be more disclosure yes and he's

901
00:50:57,860 --> 00:50:56,080
the one that released this information

902
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:57,870
about

903
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,640
the pilots that saw these craft which

904
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:05,280
the pilots didn't come out and say it

905
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,790
but they said there's absolutely nothing

906
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:10,980
on earth that could do this so I think

907
00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:14,750
that sort of is their way of saying it's

908
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,560
extraterrestrial because it's not

909
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:18,780
terrestrial well it's not human let's

910
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:22,290
put it that way right I don't think it's

911
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:24,330
being made here on earth

912
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:28,800
okay and I just want to talk about the

913
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:31,230
credibility of these pilots I mean call

914
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:35,250
me bias but I'm a former military pilot

915
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:39,900
that I flew you know fancy jets and I

916
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:44,930
know that military pilots are very calm

917
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:47,790
objective people you have to be you're

918
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:51,000
trained not to panic not to exaggerate

919
00:51:59,480 --> 00:51:56,940
and so when they described what they saw

920
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,490
and you can you can see what they saw in

921
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:02,160
their scope when they locked in on it I

922
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:05,690
think I have no doubt that what they

923
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:08,040
what was on that scope and what they

924
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:12,960
described is completely credible uh-huh

925
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:15,930
and so I think you have a very credible

926
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:16,380
witness

927
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:18,830
telling you that they they observed an

928
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:22,650
extraterrestrial craft no argument here

929
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:25,890
that make that I would say no argument

930
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:32,670
here except that I my my my idea is more

931
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:35,370
expansive only insofar as I'm not

932
00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:36,440
willing to say definitely

933
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:38,580
extraterrestrial I'm willing to say

934
00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:41,250
definitely non-human I don't know where

935
00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:43,350
they come from I don't know if they come

936
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:45,270
from a different star system they may

937
00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:47,430
very well I'm not saying they don't but

938
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:50,100
I'm just speaking to what I as a human

939
00:52:58,610 --> 00:52:56,450
being absolutely no different

940
00:53:00,140 --> 00:52:58,620
civilization based somewhere in

941
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,150
Antarctica or something and just

942
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:02,400
developed it take I mean just because

943
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:04,620
the technology is superior doesn't mean

944
00:53:10,930 --> 00:53:08,970
that people can't do it I suppose I my

945
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:10,940
my thought is

946
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,010
Blee not human I mean you could be right

947
00:53:19,539 --> 00:53:16,400
but my my leaning is probably not human

948
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:19,549
define what it is unidentified but it

949
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,780
was definitely an object it was

950
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:22,670
definitely flying and I doubt if he

951
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:24,410
could get a more credible witness then

952
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:26,770
than these military pilots right

953
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,569
absolutely so so now what I would like

954
00:53:43,539 --> 00:53:34,400
to is why I sort of gave up on you

955
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:43,549
follow gee I mean great description well

956
00:53:48,609 --> 00:53:45,770
there's just one question to them to add

957
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,619
to that is that in the disclosure of

958
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:50,960
people there they're speaking about a

959
00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:55,180
threat whereas Terry seems to see it as

960
00:54:02,559 --> 00:53:57,470
reasonably benign can you put that

961
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:02,569
together for us sure I think if they

962
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:04,609
were malevolent we wouldn't be here

963
00:54:16,059 --> 00:54:12,819
in my opinion visiting I'm sure there

964
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,069
are civilizations much more ancient than

965
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:18,559
ours and I think they have been

966
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:22,730
exploring the universe for quite a long

967
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:27,200
time and if they wanted to destroy this

968
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:30,260
planet they would have done it well

969
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,849
there was a large flood here at one

970
00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:34,400
point and a lot of while a lot of people

971
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:35,799
felt that may have been extraterrestrial

972
00:54:41,170 --> 00:54:38,569
involved however it could have been yeah

973
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:41,180
but I you know I will say one thing

974
00:54:46,329 --> 00:54:43,880
about your orbs and I've been interested

975
00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:46,339
in UFOs a very long time and I did sort

976
00:54:51,819 --> 00:54:48,680
of give up on it and you're quite right

977
00:54:52,510 --> 00:54:51,829
orbs it was like a small dot way off in

978
00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:52,520
the distance

979
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:55,400
no one saw them rarely reported when it

980
00:54:59,410 --> 00:54:57,020
was it was like yeah yeah we saw an

981
00:55:01,779 --> 00:54:59,420
orange orb the way you're reporting it

982
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:01,789
this is and you have to remember too

983
00:55:07,089 --> 00:55:03,770
that this is a technological society

984
00:55:08,769 --> 00:55:07,099
whoever is flying these things and

985
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:08,779
they're going to improve their models I

986
00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:10,760
mean you know we're no longer driving

987
00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:14,029
little Model T Fords and so this may be

988
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,720
the same UFO is only an improved you

989
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:20,000
know improved version of it that yes

990
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:22,450
cloaking device is fascinating

991
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:25,930
that is really nice to me it shows the

992
00:55:31,049 --> 00:55:29,170
change in their mentality oh yeah this

993
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:31,059
is really interesting why do they go

994
00:55:36,839 --> 00:55:34,859
from being invisible yeah to being

995
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:36,849
broadcasting ledger up there yeah

996
00:55:40,829 --> 00:55:38,609
absolutely

997
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:40,839
behind yeah this is pretty fascinating

998
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,089
stuff plus the control of the physics

999
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:45,040
and the atmospheric physics and the

1000
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:49,559
gravity I mean these I'm gonna make one

1001
00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:53,500
uncomfortable observation and that has

1002
00:55:58,799 --> 00:55:56,680
it has nothing specifically to do with

1003
00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:58,809
the book but it does have to do with

1004
00:56:06,569 --> 00:56:01,210
whether or not they constitute a threat

1005
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:06,579
to humans and that is the thousands upon

1006
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:08,770
thousands is it twenty thousand people a

1007
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:10,990
year go missing in the United States now

1008
00:56:15,089 --> 00:56:13,240
some of those people want to not be

1009
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:15,099
found and they're hiding and other

1010
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:18,700
people of those people meet unfortunate

1011
00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:21,849
deaths but then we have the whole four

1012
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,260
one one series of books that started

1013
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:28,859
with the national parks and people

1014
00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:32,290
disappeared in the most uncanny ways and

1015
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:36,040
sometimes their bodies were found miles

1016
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:39,569
and miles away from where they got lost

1017
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:45,369
and and some people postulate that these

1018
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:50,290
people were taken by aliens and it is

1019
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:55,230
hard to find a human an exact human

1020
00:57:01,859 --> 00:56:58,920
explanation for some of the bizarre

1021
00:57:07,049 --> 00:57:01,869
incidents where people were found high

1022
00:57:08,609 --> 00:57:07,059
up in in trees or on the tops of

1023
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:08,619
mountains where they could not have

1024
00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:12,250
possibly gotten to naturally right well

1025
00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:14,380
there's also reports of whole villages

1026
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:16,420
in China disappearing to where the

1027
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:18,280
buildings are left of the people are

1028
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:20,589
gone so whether or not that's true or is

1029
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,329
just some sort of fiction that's being

1030
00:57:26,849 --> 00:57:24,400
published I don't know but it's a little

1031
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:26,859
scarier that part but you know there's

1032
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:28,809
one other aspect to this too and that's

1033
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:31,150
the artificial intelligence aspect I

1034
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:32,680
mean that's getting stronger and

1035
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:34,310
stronger on this planet

1036
00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:36,530
and I'm wondering if maybe this is like

1037
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:38,500
a sort of counter reaction to that

1038
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:43,760
because it's it's a player now you mean

1039
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:46,490
the extraterrestrials are seeing we're

1040
00:57:55,390 --> 00:57:50,200
reaching a certain level mm-hmm I'm sure

1041
00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:55,400
they I think to a large extent it's sort

1042
00:58:01,480 --> 00:57:59,180
of what's a my my novel is all about to

1043
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:01,490
a certain extent I think we're probably

1044
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:04,930
a research project for a lot of

1045
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:09,200
extraterrestrial civilizations just like

1046
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,350
you know our explorers went to Africa

1047
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:14,960
well accepted I think what Sitchin says

1048
00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:17,090
is we were actually planted here sort of

1049
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,870
like a test animal and allows let's see

1050
00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:22,880
where y'all go and and you know as you

1051
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,340
said we always think in life cycles of a

1052
00:58:29,410 --> 00:58:27,200
hundred years they may have ten twenty

1053
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:29,420
thousand life year you know years of

1054
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:31,790
life which enables them to watch this

1055
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:34,940
develop yeah well if you were the people

1056
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:36,860
who planted the seed you would want to

1057
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:38,990
come back and look at your garden every

1058
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:41,060
now and then exactly and not know I

1059
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:45,410
think that's what that's what they do if

1060
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:47,270
you know the other thing too is we've

1061
00:58:53,710 --> 00:58:51,440
seen so many extra plan exoplanets and

1062
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,720
they just found one where there's eight

1063
00:58:58,510 --> 00:58:56,240
planets orbiting his son I think what we

1064
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:58,520
tend to discount on this planet - it's

1065
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:01,160
probably through just a fluke of nature

1066
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:02,930
it's probably one of the prettiest

1067
00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:05,510
planets in existence as you speculated

1068
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:08,300
in your fictional yes but I think that's

1069
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:11,030
another reason it's just attracting a

1070
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:13,730
lot of flies to honey I think it's a

1071
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:16,490
very very inviting planet well and we

1072
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:19,570
kept we kept getting that message - from

1073
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:22,010
different abductees that say they were

1074
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:24,170
contacted with extraterrestrials and

1075
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:25,610
they say you have such a beautiful

1076
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:27,530
planet and you're really messing it up

1077
00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:29,270
you know sort of straighten up and fly

1078
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:31,400
right maybe they're going to enforce

1079
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:34,640
that policy yeah we do have a pretty

1080
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:38,030
planet if you look at our the pictures

1081
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:42,050
taken from the moon of Earth I mean that

1082
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:44,120
is a beautiful sight that's a little

1083
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:45,250
blooper

1084
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:49,280
absolutely and I'm sure that that caught

1085
00:59:58,330 --> 00:59:54,320
the eye of other civilizations out there

1086
01:00:03,150 --> 00:59:58,340
in the universe I wanted to just mention

1087
01:00:07,450 --> 01:00:03,160
in your fictional book how you kind of

1088
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:07,460
treated the nearly immortality the near

1089
01:00:13,060 --> 01:00:10,510
immortality that those those

1090
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:13,070
extraterrestrials had developed and how

1091
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:14,990
I thought that was so very well thought

1092
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:19,310
out and interesting how it worked to be

1093
01:00:24,850 --> 01:00:22,400
part of the plot and I really enjoyed

1094
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:24,860
that aspect of the book I just wanted to

1095
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:28,970
comment on that I kind of found that

1096
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:31,490
part fascinating myself that's something

1097
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:33,140
about a lot of my people were always

1098
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:35,390
talking about wish there were something

1099
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:38,990
that we would live forever and in the in

1100
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:42,790
my novel I get into that as you know yes

1101
01:00:51,310 --> 01:00:47,590
some some of the the beings in that

1102
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:51,320
novel really enjoy the fact that they

1103
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:55,040
don't get sick they don't die but there

1104
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:57,560
are others who find it absolutely

1105
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:02,480
torment mm-hmm and so there's two

1106
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:04,970
different there's more than one reaction

1107
01:01:10,690 --> 01:01:07,850
to it it's not all positive right right

1108
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:10,700
as it probably wouldn't be if it were to

1109
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:14,630
occur amongst humans I can't remember

1110
01:01:19,390 --> 01:01:16,430
the name maybe you could help me out

1111
01:01:21,609 --> 01:01:19,400
though but the one guy that you know the

1112
01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:21,619
soul-sucking aliens from outer space but

1113
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:24,320
he speculated that the little greys were

1114
01:01:30,130 --> 01:01:27,230
either robots or androids and although

1115
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:30,140
they did live forever they though

1116
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:32,020
intellectually they were quite advanced

1117
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:34,070
emotionally they could not experience

1118
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:37,310
either of colors or feelings or anything

1119
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:40,130
and so their reason for coming to a

1120
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,650
planet of this nature would be to sort

1121
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:44,240
of and that's why people were being

1122
01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:46,940
abducted so to observe emotions observe

1123
01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:49,550
feelings and try to learn them because

1124
01:01:54,609 --> 01:01:51,260
they felt that that was sorely lacking

1125
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,619
in their existence so you know I think

1126
01:01:58,220 --> 01:01:56,000
you're probably on to something with

1127
01:02:03,920 --> 01:01:58,230
that you know when you mention the

1128
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:03,930
raise I think but the case I told you

1129
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:09,440
about when the large black parental

1130
01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:12,180
figures were with these small figures

1131
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:16,070
uh-huh the the observers said that these

1132
01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:19,650
the small figures look like what they

1133
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:22,230
have read what Gray's look like right

1134
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:25,020
right so I actually think in my opinion

1135
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:28,760
I think the Grays are the children of

1136
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:33,960
the large creature hi that's my opinion

1137
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:36,660
well that's yeah that is a an

1138
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:39,140
interesting point of view i before we

1139
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:44,160
before we say goodbye to you I would

1140
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:46,920
like you to talk a little bit to your

1141
01:02:52,070 --> 01:02:49,950
new book and the images and you did send

1142
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:52,080
me some images which are going to be

1143
01:02:59,359 --> 01:02:56,310
posted on our various websites and on

1144
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,369
YouTube when we get this published on

1145
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:01,200
YouTube which won't be immediately but

1146
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:02,940
they on the website you'll be able to

1147
01:03:07,460 --> 01:03:06,090
see it fairly immediately you have a new

1148
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:07,470
book do you want to talk a little bit

1149
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:11,340
about that yeah this will be my next

1150
01:03:19,340 --> 01:03:15,240
book it won't necessarily confined

1151
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,350
itself to orange orbs and it's not going

1152
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:21,180
to be statistical in nature it's going

1153
01:03:28,990 --> 01:03:24,650
to be almost entirely photographic I

1154
01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:29,000
have just say it's serendipity I

1155
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:35,070
stumbled upon a method I was I was

1156
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:37,410
dealing with an orange orb a photo of an

1157
01:03:42,140 --> 01:03:39,900
orange orb and I thought well I'd like

1158
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:42,150
to know what's inside that mm-hmm

1159
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:47,220
and so I I started working with

1160
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:49,980
photographic tools and this took me

1161
01:03:56,359 --> 01:03:52,920
quite a long time and I I actually

1162
01:04:02,570 --> 01:03:56,369
developed a technique where I could see

1163
01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:02,580
what was under the cloak and what you

1164
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:06,630
see under the cloak first of all are a

1165
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:10,090
bunch of very different things

1166
01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:15,670
and the photographs I have are I was

1167
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:18,550
able to to do some extreme focusing and

1168
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:21,310
they're very very clear and I've been

1169
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:26,500
able to categorize through photos of the

1170
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:28,840
various types of vehicles that are up

1171
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:31,930
there in the sky interesting and they're

1172
01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:34,090
not only just orange or some I'm

1173
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:35,830
analyzing a lot of things that you think

1174
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:39,550
is a puffy little cloud up there isn't

1175
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:41,950
the puffy little cloud oh that's

1176
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:44,710
actually a type of clothes they use all

1177
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:46,570
sorts of different types of cloaks

1178
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,140
including and visibility because I

1179
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:52,480
sometimes and some of the photos I have

1180
01:04:58,410 --> 01:04:55,450
there's a tiny thing I'm focusing on the

1181
01:05:01,890 --> 01:04:58,420
object and as it becomes clearer and

1182
01:05:06,210 --> 01:05:01,900
clearer through enhancements using color

1183
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:06,220
and different techniques it turns out

1184
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:09,490
that that small object is a part of a

1185
01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:14,710
huge object that you can't see and and

1186
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:18,390
the picture that you had sent to me I

1187
01:05:26,550 --> 01:05:23,770
involves one of the disclosed objects

1188
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:26,560
from the Pentagon and the and the Nimitz

1189
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:30,640
and and and then I see it you've run it

1190
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:32,950
through some filters and I am not

1191
01:05:39,870 --> 01:05:37,210
conversant on that type of that type of

1192
01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:39,880
analysis but what we've got here is

1193
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:42,220
something that looks like a large

1194
01:05:50,220 --> 01:05:45,910
capital I it looks like a it that

1195
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:50,230
actually is oblong and has extensions at

1196
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:52,650
the front and and the back of it and

1197
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:55,510
it's it's quite fascinating I don't know

1198
01:06:01,680 --> 01:05:58,090
how you get to that but we all look

1199
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:01,690
forward to seeing your new book in the

1200
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:05,710
future with these photographic analyses

1201
01:06:11,110 --> 01:06:09,610
in them right I think it'll cause quite

1202
01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:11,120
a stir

1203
01:06:18,740 --> 01:06:25,929
[Music]

1204
01:06:30,399 --> 01:06:29,739
yes indeed so um Terry before we let you

1205
01:06:32,829 --> 01:06:30,409
go

1206
01:06:34,659 --> 01:06:32,839
would you like to repeat the names of

1207
01:06:37,269 --> 01:06:34,669
your books and and that sort of thing

1208
01:06:39,669 --> 01:06:37,279
for our listeners who are going to go

1209
01:06:42,609 --> 01:06:39,679
out and run up the sales of your books

1210
01:06:45,729 --> 01:06:42,619
immediately upon hearing this broadcast

1211
01:06:48,459 --> 01:06:45,739
well the are the fictional that they're

1212
01:06:51,779 --> 01:06:48,469
all from Sunbury Press so you go to

1213
01:06:54,969 --> 01:06:51,789
sunburn press or just my name Terry ray

1214
01:06:57,099 --> 01:06:54,979
author you'll see a list of all of my

1215
01:07:01,539 --> 01:06:57,109
books just like you know google it and

1216
01:07:05,319 --> 01:07:01,549
that's our wife Terry Reay yes Terry ray

1217
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:05,329
ari why and I usually one of the first

1218
01:07:10,419 --> 01:07:07,880
to tear there are other Terry Ray's but

1219
01:07:12,429 --> 01:07:10,429
I'm usually new one or two there's an

1220
01:07:14,469 --> 01:07:12,439
actor called Terry ray he's won almost

1221
01:07:17,229 --> 01:07:14,479
always won but then there's me but

1222
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:17,239
anyway the ones that the books that are

1223
01:07:22,509 --> 01:07:18,650
relevant to what we're talking about

1224
01:07:25,149 --> 01:07:22,519
here is G except gxm 731 that's the

1225
01:07:30,729 --> 01:07:25,159
novel I wrote that we've been talking

1226
01:07:34,059 --> 01:07:30,739
about any other book is the worldwide

1227
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:34,069
invasion of the orange orbs the complete

1228
01:07:50,499 --> 01:07:47,630
story okay I hope you'll let shattered

1229
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:50,509
reality know as soon as it comes out I I

1230
01:07:59,019 --> 01:07:55,569
will be out sometime I would say in the

1231
01:08:02,349 --> 01:07:59,029
before June of next year and and for a

1232
01:08:06,609 --> 01:08:02,359
final question before you go what do you

1233
01:08:12,179 --> 01:08:06,619
see as the outcome of this Defense

1234
01:08:16,990 --> 01:08:12,189
Intelligence Agency leak let's call it

1235
01:08:17,709 --> 01:08:17,000
well I don't see any change with the US

1236
01:08:21,069 --> 01:08:17,719
government

1237
01:08:22,180 --> 01:08:21,079
I don't they they decided a long time

1238
01:08:26,979 --> 01:08:22,190
ago that

1239
01:08:32,559 --> 01:08:26,989
they were going to discourage any belief

1240
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:32,569
in extraterrestrials and they're going

1241
01:08:37,059 --> 01:08:35,480
to stick with that a lot of this I don't

1242
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:37,069
know how much time we have look probably

1243
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:38,750
running into the end but a lot of this

1244
01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:42,799
their philosophy on have started with

1245
01:08:48,849 --> 01:08:45,230
Orson Welles War of the Worlds a radio

1246
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:48,859
program yeah yeah we call that yes and I

1247
01:08:56,559 --> 01:08:52,339
was extreme panic throughout the country

1248
01:08:59,499 --> 01:08:56,569
over this and I think they saw that just

1249
01:09:01,840 --> 01:08:59,509
what a radio program could do and there

1250
01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:01,850
are even some killings well some people

1251
01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:03,350
went out with their guns and they

1252
01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:05,719
thought they were seeing aliens they

1253
01:09:10,539 --> 01:09:06,859
were shooting them hmm

1254
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:10,549
and I think that really affected the

1255
01:09:16,150 --> 01:09:12,410
thinking of the federal government yes

1256
01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:16,160
and they thought we did we can't reveal

1257
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:19,190
this or we're gonna have a Orson Welles

1258
01:09:24,519 --> 01:09:22,850
audience on our hands I really think

1259
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:24,529
that's where it's sort I think that

1260
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:26,750
people have changed somewhat from that

1261
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,449
time because of you know a lot of

1262
01:09:35,019 --> 01:09:31,279
because of Hollywood we've seen a lot of

1263
01:09:39,099 --> 01:09:35,029
on Star Trek and and all of that but yet

1264
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:39,109
but yet we have to remember that there

1265
01:09:43,570 --> 01:09:41,210
are about 8 billion people on the planet

1266
01:09:44,110 --> 01:09:43,580
give or take right I mean we can agree

1267
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:44,120
on that

1268
01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:49,100
and that it's thought that if only one

1269
01:09:56,740 --> 01:09:52,940
out of a hundred people goes a little

1270
01:10:01,330 --> 01:09:56,750
cuckoo and panics you got millions of

1271
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:01,340
people or not who are not doing well

1272
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,110
shall we say well you know I don't agree

1273
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:09,170
with I think at one time panic would

1274
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:11,750
have happened but I think we are far

1275
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:15,010
more sophisticated now than we were

1276
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:17,540
particularly with science now saying

1277
01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:20,210
well there's lots of habitable planets

1278
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:23,270
out there I think we I think we're

1279
01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:24,890
positioned at least in the developed

1280
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,219
countries that we could I think we could

1281
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:30,320
deal with disclosure very well right now

1282
01:10:34,469 --> 01:10:32,090
plus we're about ready to start

1283
01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:34,479
exploring ourselves so I don't we

1284
01:10:40,169 --> 01:10:37,630
yeah very close so I I don't think it's

1285
01:10:42,449 --> 01:10:40,179
gonna be a huge surprise that somebody

1286
01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:42,459
who has a brain would be exploring to

1287
01:10:47,879 --> 01:10:45,880
some right and I think with with all the

1288
01:10:49,379 --> 01:10:47,889
developments that are going on it's

1289
01:10:52,739 --> 01:10:49,389
going to become more and more difficult

1290
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:52,749
for the US government to keep denying it

1291
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:56,800
and continue their program of

1292
01:11:03,209 --> 01:10:59,469
humiliating and shaming anybody who

1293
01:11:05,790 --> 01:11:03,219
claims to see a UFO well that's been

1294
01:11:09,959 --> 01:11:05,800
their plan for many years one very

1295
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:09,969
positive side of this quote-unquote the

1296
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:12,369
disclosure wherever it goes to in the

1297
01:11:20,069 --> 01:11:16,260
future is that here in the United States

1298
01:11:23,069 --> 01:11:20,079
fewer of the news outlets are treating

1299
01:11:25,529 --> 01:11:23,079
this with derision where previously

1300
01:11:27,629 --> 01:11:25,539
they've made fun of people now they're

1301
01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:27,639
taking it a little bit more seriously

1302
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:30,369
not a thousand percent seriously but at

1303
01:11:35,549 --> 01:11:33,369
least it's moving in that direction with

1304
01:11:40,109 --> 01:11:35,559
the New York Times and and the various

1305
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:40,119
other the USA Today and CNN they all

1306
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:42,820
were treating this like a serious

1307
01:11:50,729 --> 01:11:46,449
subject amongst other places big step

1308
01:11:54,089 --> 01:11:50,739
this last disclosure what the fighter

1309
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:54,099
pilots was a big step in this at least

1310
01:11:58,949 --> 01:11:56,170
this is the first time I remember that

1311
01:12:01,529 --> 01:11:58,959
the UFO soar in the media wasn't put at

1312
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:01,539
the end of the broadcast where they make

1313
01:12:06,689 --> 01:12:04,209
jokes and laugh about someone seeing a

1314
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:06,699
UFO this was actually mainstream news

1315
01:12:13,379 --> 01:12:09,760
first page of The Times first page of

1316
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:13,389
The Times right so Terry I want to thank

1317
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:16,090
you so very much for being our guest

1318
01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:16,570
today

1319
01:12:23,219 --> 01:12:20,199
and we hope to have you back again in

1320
01:12:25,979 --> 01:12:23,229
the future you were a fascinating an

1321
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:25,989
interesting guest and I cannot recommend

1322
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:28,630
your two books more highly they're very

1323
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:32,170
interesting exploration both the

1324
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:35,320
fictional book and the nonfiction the

1325
01:12:39,569 --> 01:12:37,510
complete story of the worldwide invasion

1326
01:12:43,469 --> 01:12:39,579
of the orange orbs thank you for being

1327
01:12:46,169 --> 01:12:43,479
with us Derry thank you all right

1328
01:12:47,670 --> 01:12:46,179
so long okay yeah I was gonna say

1329
01:12:51,210 --> 01:12:47,680
goodbye okay

1330
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:51,220
that's okay bye-bye now Terry thank you

1331
01:12:56,820 --> 01:12:53,230
okay well what do you say what do you

1332
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:56,830
say there miss Kate it's it's as usual

1333
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,630
you know you do have objects they are

1334
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:00,640
flying they are identified and still

1335
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:03,340
nobody knows everybody has a theory

1336
01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:05,080
I think his are quite sound and well

1337
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:07,240
based but they're still unfortunately

1338
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:09,370
theories until these things land and say

1339
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:12,430
hi it's me yes yes and and one of the

1340
01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:16,320
biggest theoretical parts both of his

1341
01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:20,500
his theory and the theory of the to the

1342
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:22,350
Stars group is that this is

1343
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:24,340
extraterrestrial you brought up another

1344
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,350
idea that it might be true interests

1345
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:29,280
real down from I honestly it's

1346
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:31,330
Antarctica or it could be

1347
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:33,220
interdimensional and they could have

1348
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:36,360
been here some dimensional but it's

1349
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:40,630
there's just so many of them I mean

1350
01:13:46,650 --> 01:13:44,170
regardless of what method of flight or

1351
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,660
propulsion you have it's still going to

1352
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:48,400
take energy to get from point A to point

1353
01:13:54,210 --> 01:13:51,850
B and so for that many vehicles to go

1354
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:54,220
from point A to point B unless there is

1355
01:14:03,080 --> 01:13:59,040
an energy source that's almost limitless

1356
01:14:06,570 --> 01:14:03,090
it's a huge expense it's a huge expense

1357
01:14:09,060 --> 01:14:06,580
well maybe maybe they don't have maybe

1358
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:09,070
they don't have a capitalist system or a

1359
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:11,470
money-based system and Terry mentioned

1360
01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:13,770
so Hill takes energy and energy

1361
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:17,020
wormholes he has he proposes wormholes I

1362
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:18,730
don't have a dog in this race okay I

1363
01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:20,980
just object we just answer is this is

1364
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:25,780
why it takes it would be a huge step if

1365
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:28,960
this were extraterrestrial if it is then

1366
01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:30,850
indeed they have discovered a form of

1367
01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:31,480
propulsion

1368
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:33,820
now when you say energy I'm not talking

1369
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:35,770
Boyle but what I'm saying is that it

1370
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:38,560
takes beings energy to live so when you

1371
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:41,950
devote energy to flight it takes

1372
01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:43,990
something from living beings it has to I

1373
01:14:47,730 --> 01:14:46,240
mean there's just it's I mean without

1374
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:47,740
getting a whole bunch of discussion but

1375
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:50,440
it's so the cost of energy for that many

1376
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:53,820
vehicles to come here that's why I

1377
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:56,230
hesitate to think it's extraterrestrial

1378
01:15:00,330 --> 01:14:58,270
that's all okay I could you know I could

1379
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:00,340
see that I always like

1380
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:04,570
who's the guy that the city's a man oh

1381
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:07,060
yeah yeah oh gee not Jill tarter but the

1382
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:09,490
other fella yes yes it was so funny he

1383
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:10,810
said can you imagine Extra Terrestrial

1384
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:13,180
going before their Congress and say look

1385
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:15,220
I need X amount of dollars I want to go

1386
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,610
there because I really like earth women

1387
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:20,560
and you know I'd like to do some genetic

1388
01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:22,510
experimenting on them so how about that

1389
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,580
so what do you think his chances of

1390
01:15:28,740 --> 01:15:26,320
getting that bill passed pretty simple

1391
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:28,750
so that's his that's his argument

1392
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:30,730
against extraterrestrials

1393
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:33,940
well the anthropomorphize ation both by

1394
01:15:37,620 --> 01:15:35,920
terry in his fictional book which is a

1395
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:37,630
fabulous book and I'm really interested

1396
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:45,310
in and both the anthropomorphize a ssin

1397
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:50,290
of extraterrestrials is not troubling

1398
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:53,560
but in fact I almost agree with it

1399
01:15:59,820 --> 01:15:56,650
insofar as you recall when we were up at

1400
01:16:02,430 --> 01:15:59,830
the UFO Congress upstate New York the

1401
01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:02,440
UFO event and I gave my little talk

1402
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:07,540
about extraterrestrial evolution and you

1403
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:09,790
know I do think it's highly possible if

1404
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:13,180
panspermia is a fact and if there are

1405
01:16:19,470 --> 01:16:16,450
planets that are like earth elsewhere

1406
01:16:21,780 --> 01:16:19,480
that it's possible that the evolution

1407
01:16:25,050 --> 01:16:21,790
could be similar but it's also possible

1408
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:25,060
that there are intelligent squid out

1409
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:28,930
there purple you know out in ships craft

1410
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:31,930
in the universe so not everything has to

1411
01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:36,010
be like an anthropomorphic sort of deal

1412
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:37,990
anyway we're getting a little bit far

1413
01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:41,010
afield we're hoping to be back with you

1414
01:16:49,460 --> 01:16:43,480
after the first of the year with another

1415
01:16:51,330 --> 01:16:49,470
exciting episode of shattered reality

1416
01:16:55,870 --> 01:16:51,340
okay happy new year